3 of 4 Parents Forward-Face Too Early,: Don’t Join Them; 2 is Too Soon!

The Clek Fllo is one of the best seats for extended rear-facing. Click here to read its review.
The Clek Fllo is one of the best seats for extended rear-facing.

If there’s one thing I’m passionate about when it comes to car seats, it’s about the benefits of extended rear-facing. I’ve written about how it’s the standard in Sweden to rear-face until 4, about affordable seats like the Extend2Fit that can keep kids rear-facing until 5 or beyond, about how to keep toddlers rear-facing, and sadly, about how children can be saved from unimaginably horrible collisions simply by being kept rear-facing.

To put it simply, rear-facing children as much as current car seat designs will safely allow is something I believe in. That’s why when I read the results of polls such as that conducted by C.S. Mott Children’s Hospital about parents rear-facing too early, it spurns me on to keep writing about the need to rear-face. Let’s dig into the details together and see what we can learn from the study.

In 2011, 33% of parents of 1-to 4-year-old children who had been turned to face forward had done so at or before 12 months. Just 16% reported turning their child’s seat at 2 years or older.

But in 2013, 24% of parents of 1- to 4-year-old children who had been turned to face forward made the switch at or before 12 months. Only 23% reported waiting to turn until the child was 2 years old or older.

To put the findings into context, the AAP updated their recommendations for how long children should remain rear-facing in 2011, moving the recommendation from 1 until 2 , or until children had outgrown the height and weight limits of their rear-facing car seat. I wrote about how these recommendations were better, but still far away from best practice. Shortly after the guidelines were released, the hospital polled parents to learn about how long they were actually rear-facing.

Too many parents are still rear-facing for one year or less.

In 2011, 1 out of every 3 parents turned their children forward-facing either at 12 months or before 12 months. This improved to 1 out of 4 parents in 2014. However, that still means a significant number of children were and are placed needlessly at risk by being forward-faced exceptionally early. It’s worth keeping in mind that forward-facing before 1 is against the law in all states.

The majority of parents turn their children forward between 1 and 2.

In 2011, 1 out of every 2 parents turned their children forward between 1 and 2 years. This remained consistent (1 out of 2 parents) in 2014. This was completely legal, as no state required rear-facing past 1 until New Jersey in late 2015, but not everything legal is good. You can buy an amazingly sophisticated radar detector online to reduce your odds of getting caught speeding, but that doesn’t make speeding good for your health.

Too few parents are rear-facing until 2 or later.

In 2011, around 1 out of 6 parents waited until 2 or later to forward-face their children. This improved to 1 out of 4 parents in 2014. Even though the report didn’t specify whether parents stopped rear-facing at 2, 3, or 4, at least making it to 2 is great progress in this country.

Now that we’ve looked at when parents are turning their infants and toddlers forward-facing, let’s look at some of the reasons why they’re doing this.

Why are parents forward-facing too early, despite medical recommendations?

“There are lots of reasons why parents are eager to change from the rear-facing to forward-facing seat: the perception their children are too large, the desire to see their children when driving, and a greater ease of removing their children from a forward facing seat,” says Macy… “But delaying the switch can make a big difference. In Sweden it is culturally accepted that children up to age 4 are in rear-facing seats and child traffic fatalities are among the lowest in the world.”

There they are again, those rear-facing Swedes! I want to shout this from the rooftops at everyone who will listen. The safest thing we can do for our little ones whenever they’re in a car, SUV, minivan, or pickup truck is ensure they’re strapped into a well-fitting and well-installed rear-facing car seat from age zero to age 4.

Beyond that, the reasons Macy lists about why parents want to forward-face early are ones we’ve discussed before here, and ones you’ve likely heard among parents in your circles. Perhaps you’ve even shared these reasons with your spouse or with other parents. But when we know better, we’ve got to do better.

Let’s debunk bad reasons to forward-face early

If you want to see your child, get a mirror. The So Peep an excellent one that we use in both of our vehicles. If you’re worried your kids are too large, don’t! As long as they’re within the height and weight limits, they’re fine; crossed-legs don’t bother kids and rear-facing kids are actually less likely to suffer leg injuries in collisions than forward-facing ones. I won’t deny that it’s sometimes easier to remove a child from a forward-facing seat, but the slight increase in time it might take is worth it, and we might all do well to slow ourselves down by a few seconds now and then. Here’s a book about slower, more peaceful parenting I’ve been enjoying lately.

Mike, I’d like to rear-face past 2 on a small / large budget. What do you recommend?

I’ve had the privilege of reviewing dozens of ERF-capable seats here, but these are my absolute favorite seats right now:

extend2fit - 1Under $200, I’d strongly recommend the Graco Extend2Fit, Safety 1st Grow and Go EX Air, and Safety 1st Advance EX 65+ Air+. The three seats are very similar, and each is designed to be used from the day your child leaves the hospital until the day s/he weighs 50 pounds. Their height limits mean nearly all kids will make it to 5 rear-facing with them, and lighter children may even make it past 6 or 7!

rai1Under $300, my most-recommended seat is the Diono Rainier. If you can find it, the Diono Pacifica is equally safe despite having been discontinued. Again, both seats are almost identical; the main difference lies in the head wings present in the Rainier, which are designed to offer additional side impact protection.

However, the most important part of both seats involves the rear-facing capabilities. Both seats let you rear-face from birth until 50 pounds and have the height limits to make that feasible. They can then be used for quite a while as forward-facing seats, and then, depending on your child, used for some amount of time as booster seats.

If money’s no object, go with the Clek Fllo or Clek Foonf. Yet again, both seats are very similar, but my top recommendation between the two is the cheaper seat, the Fllo. Combine either seat with the Clek Infant Insert and you can start out rear-facing from birth and keep it up until 50 pounds.

Between these and the Dionos above, I prefer the Fllos and Foonfs for smaller or narrower vehicles and the Dionos if you want to hold on to a seat in forward-facing mode for a longer amount of time before needing a new one.

The point here isn’t to choose one particular seat over another nearly as much as it is to keep rear-facing as long as possible, and ideally until 4 or even beyond that if you can find a seat that will allow you to. Your child will continue to reap the benefits for years.

If you find my information on best practices in car and car seat safety helpful, you can do your shopping through this Amazon link. Canadians can  shop here for Canadian purchases. Have a question or want to discuss best practices? Join us in the forums!

3 Across Installations: Which Car Seats Will Fit a Mazda CX-9?

The Mazda CX-9 is one of the “underdogs,” if you will, in the mid-sized 3-row SUV market. It’s not nearly as popular as a number of more-established 3-row crossovers like the Honda Pilot, Ford Explorer, Dodge Journey, Dodge Durango, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Flex, Toyota 4Runner, and Toyota Highlander. However, it’s a reliable SUV and it had some of the lowest driver death rates of all vehicles between the 2008 and 2011 model years in the Volume 50, No. 1 IIHS Status Report.

In that report, the 4WD version of the 2008-2011 Mazda CX-9 was estimated to have had a DDR of 5 and the 2WD version a DDR of 12. That’s just amazing, and a testament to the safety of the vehicle. As a result, it’s no surprise that it’s often chosen as a family vehicle by parents interested in something safe and reliable that costs less than some of the bigger-name 3-row crossovers.

Being such a solid SUV, I made it my mission to figure out how well it did when it came to fitting 3 car seats across the 2nd row. The good news is that it’s a wide-enough SUV to theoretically fit 3, 4, or even 5 car seats in. The bad news? The 2nd row is the only row that comes with tethers, which means you can’t tether while forward-facing, which means you’re missing out on a very important safety feature if you decide to use forward-facing seats in the 3rd row.

Before we dig into the details of which seats will give you the easiest time making 3 across installations work, let’s look at which kinds of car seats should be used to keep your kids safe at various ages.

First of all, I like to begin with rear-facing, since it’s the safest position for young children. I suggest rear-facing from day one until you can’t anymore, even if that takes you through the preschool years (ideally until 4!), before forward-facing them in harnessed convertible or combination seats (ideally until 8!). Once they outgrow their harnessed seats, it’s best to keep them restrained in high-back boosters until they’re physically and psychologically ready to use adult seat belt systems (which typically happens between 10 and 12). These suggestions may take a bit of extra work, but they provide a lot of extra safety.

My results of car seat puzzling in the CX-9 are below. It’s not a complete list, but as with all of my 3 across guides, it’s my goal to make it the most complete on the Internet over time, especially as I get access to more seats. If you find the list helpful when shopping for car seats, you can shop through my Amazon link below. I’ll add more seats as I test them over time.

You can access the complete 3 across guide for every vehicle here and the complete list of recommended seats here. The Canadian car seat guide is here. 3 across car seat images are courtesy of Wikipedia.

2016, 2017, 2018 Mazda CX-9 (TC)

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Tips and Tricks:

The current and second generation of the Mazda CX-9 is just under 200 inches long and 77.5 inches wide, which means you’re going to be able to fit a lot of car seats in the 2nd row without much trouble. As before, the 3rd row will be a bit more tricky, but it’ll still be significantly easier than most of the other 3rd rows in the mid-sized SUV segment, simply because the CX-9 is longer than the vast majority of crossovers in this segment.

The LATCH situation improves somewhat compared to the previous generation; you now get a tether anchor behind the 3rd row passenger seat but not behind the 3rd row driver side seat. You also get a step back in the 2nd row due to rigid seat belt buckles, which makes it significantly harder to install car seats there via seat belt, as well as for general 3 across installations in the 2nd row. Keep in mind that you’ll also need to remove any head restraints for vehicle seats used with forward-facing or high-back boostered car seats.

cx-9 - 2012 - publicdomain2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 Mazda CX-9 (TB)

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Combi Coccoro (x3).

Graco Size4Me 65 (x3).

Graco Contender (x3).

Clek Fllo, Graco Size4Me 65, Diono Radian / RXT.

Clek Fllo, Graco Size4Me 65 (x2).

Clek Fllo, Diono Radian / RXT (x2).

Graco TurboBooster, Clek Fllo, Diono Radian / RXT.

Graco TurboBooster, Diono Radian / RXT (x2).

Tips and Tricks:

The first generation of the Mazda CX-9 is 200 inches long and 76 inches wide, which means you’re going to be able to fit a lot of car seats in the 2nd row without much trouble. The 3rd row will be a bit more tricky, but it’ll still be significantly easier than most of the other 3rd rows in the mid-sized SUV segment, simply because the CX-9 is longer than the vast majority of crossovers in this segment.

The biggest issue with the CX-9, as I stated above, is that the 2nd row is the only row that comes with tethers, which means you can’t tether while forward-facing, which means you’re missing out on a very important safety feature if you decide to use forward-facing seats in the 3rd row.

In the 2nd row, make use of your seat belts to get maximum side-to-side space, as usual. While you can use LATCH anchors, it’ll rob you of space if you’re aiming for 3 across setups. If you’ve only got one or two seats to install, on the other hand, it doesn’t matter at all.

Something nice about the 2nd row is that while you can’t remove the middle seat there to make it easier to get to the 3rd row, you can slide the outboard seats. Additionally, the center 2nd row seat is also a much larger seat than that you’ll find in most crossovers.

Another potential challenge with the 3rd row is the fact that you can’t always get to the 3rd row seats from the hatch and trunk area in order to buckle them the way you can with certain other vehicles. In other words, if you can’t buckle your kids in the 3rd row from the 2nd row and they aren’t old enough to buckle themselves, you might have a lot of trouble using that 3rd row in general.

Given the lack of tethers in the 3rd row in general, you might just want to restrict it to either children in booster seats or to teenagers who no longer need child safety seats in general. Technically, adults can also sit there, but there’s just not that much room.

If you find my information on best practices in car and car seat safety helpful, you can do your shopping through this Amazon link. Canadians can  shop here for Canadian purchases. Have a question or want to discuss best practices? Join us in the forums!

3 Across Installations: Which Car Seats Fit In a Toyota Tundra?

The Toyota Tundra is the most-popular non-US-branded large pickup sold in the United States. Interestingly, it’s more domestic than most vehicles in the country, having been assembled in Princeton, Indiana in the past and currently assembled in San Antonio, Texas. It competes with other giant pickups like the Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado, Nissan Titan, and Dodge Ram, and is more reliable than all of them put together. Can you tell I’m a fan?

Because of the rock-solid reliability of the Tundra and its go-anywhere, do-anything reputation, it’s no surprise that a number of parents look to the Tundra to take care of their little ones in terms of day-to-day transportation. As a result, I borrowed a few Tundras to see if they were as up to hauling 3 car seats across the back rows as they were to hauling several thousand pounds of lumber in the bed. The good news is that they were more than up to the task. Before getting into the details, however, let’s take a look at rear-facing, forward-facing, and other suggestions for keeping your kids safe in your Tundra.

For me, everything starts with rear-facing. To keep your infants, toddlers, and preschoolers as safe as possible, I typically suggest keeping children rear-facing as long as possible (until 4 or 5 like the Swedes), followed by harnessing until they can safely use booster seats (until at least 5, like the Swedes), and then boostering until the 5 step test is passed (typically between 10, 11, and 12). Beyond that, I suggest keeping kids in the back seat until at least 13, and delaying teen solo driving until 18 if possible. Even if you’re in a large vehicle, you’ll protect your children far more by properly restraining them than by skipping stages.

Now that’s out of the way, let’s take a look at what worked and what didn’t. The fact of the matter is that with a vehicle as large as the Tundra, you typically aren’t going to have any issues with 3 across car seat installations in terms of width; your main challenges will have to do with front-to-back room, which depends on your cabin sizes. That said, this is likely to be the most thorough 3 across car seat guide for the Toyota Tundra on the Internet, and I’ll keep adding to it over time.

You can access the complete 3 across guide for every vehicle here and the complete list of recommended seats here. The Canadian car seat guide is here. 3 across car seat images are courtesy of Wikipedia.

2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 Toyota Tundra (XK50)

Guaranteed 3 across installations: 

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian 3RXT (x3).

Diono Radian 3RX (x3).

Clek Oobr (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Diono Rainier (x3).

Diono Pacifica (x3).

Diono Olympia (x3).

Combi Cocorro (x3).

Chicco KeyFit 30, Britax Pinnacle 90, Clek Foonf.

Clek Fllo, Britax Pinnacle 90, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Clek Foonf, Britax Frontier 90, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier 90, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Graco Size4Me 65 (x3).

Graco Contender (x3).

Britax Boulevard ClickTight, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Boulevard G4.1, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Marathon ClickTight, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Marathon G4.1, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Boulevard ClickTight, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Pavilion G4, Diono Radian / RXT, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Diono Radian / RXT, Chicco KeyFit 30, Graco TurboBooster.

Diono Radian / RXT, Diono Radian / RXT, Graco TurboBooster.

Britax Boulevard ClickTight, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Boulevard G4.1, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Marathon ClickTight, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Marathon G4.1, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Boulevard ClickTight, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Britax Pavilion G4, Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1.

Tips and Tricks:

The second generation of the Toyota Tundra is between 209 and 248 inches long, depending on which cab size you choose, and 80 inches wide. Dimension-wise, it’s almost exactly the size of the current F-150. In other words, you’re going to be able to fit just about any 3 car seats next to each other when it comes to width.

However, when it comes to front-to-back space, what you can and can’t do will depend on your cab size. The Tundra comes in a 2-door regular cab, a 4-door double cab, and a 4-door crewmax. The double cab is the replacement of the access cab in the previous generation while the crewmax is the replacement of the double cab in the previous generation.

The crewmax will be the most car seat-friendly, while you won’t be able to fit any car seats anywhere in the regular cab except for in the front passenger seat, and it’ll need to be a front-facing car seat unless you can completely disable the front passenger airbag.

In the current double cab, you might have a good bit of trouble due to needing to choose between car seats and front-passenger space. Shorter car seats like the Fllo and Size4Me 65 will help you make the most of your front-to-back space.

tundra - 2004 - publicdomain2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 Toyota Tundra

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian 3RXT (x3).

Diono Radian 3RX (x3).

Clek Oobr (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Graco Size4Me 65 (x3).

Graco Contender (x3).

Combi Cocorro (x3).

Clek Foonf, Britax Frontier G1.1, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Clek Fllo, Britax Frontier G1.1, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Tips and Tricks:

The first generation of the Toyota Tundra is 218 inches long in the 2-door regular cab and 4-door access cab trims and 230 inches long in the 4-door double cab trim. It’s 75 inches wide in the regular and access cabs and 79-80 inches wide in the double cab trims.

What this means is that you’ll be able to fit a whole mess of car seats the double cab trims, but not nearly as many in the regular and access cabs. Additionally, if you’re driving the access cab, you’ll likely have some trouble with front-to-back space unless you’re using shorter car seats. If you’re driving the the regular cab, you’ll be able to fit a front-facing car seat in the passenger seat, but you won’t be able to use a rear-facing seat there unless you can completely disable the passenger airbag.

In the access cab, you might have a good bit of trouble due to needing to choose between car seats and front-passenger space. Shorter car seats like the Fllo and Size4Me 65 will help you make the most of your front-to-back space.

If you find my information on best practices in car and car seat safety helpful, you can do your shopping through this Amazon link. Canadians can shop here for Canadian purchases. Have a question or want to discuss best practices? Send me an email at carcrashdetective [at] gmail [dot] com.

3 Across Installations: Which Car Seats Fit a Toyota Tacoma?

The Toyota Tacoma is one of the most-loved trucks in the USA, a country that loves it pickup trucks. It’s a mid-sized pickup truck that competes with trucks like the Ford Ranger, Nissan Frontier, Chevy Colorado, Honda Ridgeline, and Dodge Dakota while offering a smaller and more sensible alternative for most drivers to larger trucks like the Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram, GMC Sierra, and so on. It’s not as big, but for a number of families, it’s big enough.

As a result, I wasn’t surprised to learn that many parents with Tacomas, or Tacos, as they’re often called, wanted to know about the possibilities of installing  3 car seats (whether infant seats, convertibles, combinations, or boosters) across the back row, especially in the longer cab versions such as the Access Cab or Double Cab short and long beds. To answer their questions, I took a look at a few generations of the Tacoma to probe their 3 across potential. Before looking at the results, however, it’s a good idea to review best practices when it comes to installing car seats in pickup trucks (or any other kind of vehicle, really).

First of all, I typically suggest keeping children rear-facing as long as possible (until 4 or 5 like the Swedes), followed by harnessing until they can safely use booster seats (until at least 5, like the Swedes), and then boostering until the 5 step test is passed (typically between 10, 11, and 12). Beyond that, I suggest keeping kids in the back seat until at least 13, and delaying teen solo driving until 18 if possible. What we want to do is keep our kids restrained in the safest positions for as long as possible to increase their odds of surviving crash forces.

Keeping these ideas in mind, I set to work to find which infant, convertible, combination, and booster seats would work best in 3 across combinations in the Toyota Tacoma. I found several good options and a few great ones. If you find the list helpful when shopping for car seats, you can shop through my Amazon link below. I’ll add more seats as I test them over time.

You can access the complete 3 across guide for every vehicle here and the complete list of recommended seats here. The Canadian car seat guide is here. 3 across car seat images are courtesy of Wikipedia.

2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 Toyota Tacoma

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian 3RXT (x3).

Diono Radian 3RX (x3).

Clek Oobr (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Graco Size4Me 65 (x3).

Graco Contender (x3).

Combi Coccoro (x3).

Chicco KeyFit 30, Diono Radian / RXT, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Tips and Tricks:

The third generation Toyota Tacoma is available in access cab and double cab configurations. The access cab is only available with a standard bed and is 212.3 inches long; the double cab is available in standard and long beds and is 22.5 inches long in the long bed (except in the SR and Limited trims, which only feature a standard bed). The width varies from 74.4 inches in SR and SR5 trims to 75.2 inches in TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, and Limited trims.

Practically speaking, this means that you’re going to be able to fit a decent number of car seats throughout the back seats in all trim levels. If you’re interested in rear-facing with a Radian and you’ve got an access cab, or have tall front row occupants, you’ll definitely want to spend the extra few dollars on an angle adjuster to make driving and using the front-passenger space easier.

Whichever cab or trim level you choose, be sure to use your seat belts for all 3 installations instead of your lower LATCH anchors; this will give you significantly more space for each seat by allowing you to install the outboard seats closer to the sides of the Tacoma.

tacoma - 2011 - publicdomain2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 Toyota Tacoma

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian 3RXT (x3).

Diono Radian 3RX (x3).

Clek Oobr (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Graco Size4Me 65 (x3).

Graco Contender (x3).

Combi Coccoro (x3).

Chicco KeyFit 30, Diono Radian / RXT, Chicco KeyFit 30.

Tips and Tricks:

The second generation Toyota Tacoma is 190 inches long in the regular cab, 208 inches in the access and double cab short bed, and 221 inches in the double cab long bed. It ranges from 72 inches wide in the 2WD regular to 75 inches wide in the 2WD extended and 4WD.

Practically speaking, this means that you’re going to be able to fit a decent number of car seats throughout the back seats in all trim levels. However, if you’ve got the regular cab, you’re going to have trouble leaving enough space for the driver and front-seat passenger if you have tall car seats, especially while rear-facing. You’ll have a much easier time in terms of front-to-back space with the access or double cabs.

If you’re interested in rear-facing with a Radian and you’ve got a shorter cab, you’ll definitely want to spend the extra few dollars on an angle adjuster to make driving and using the front-passenger space easier.

Whichever cab or trim level you choose, be sure to use your seat belts for all 3 installations instead of your lower LATCH anchors; this will give you significantly more space for each seat by allowing you to install the outboard seats closer to the sides of the Tacoma.

tacoma - 2001 - publicdomain1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Toyota Tacoma

Guaranteed 3 across installations:

Clek Fllo (x3).

Clek Foonf (x3).

Diono Radian 3RXT (x3).

Diono Radian 3RX (x3).

Clek Oobr (x3).

Diono Radian RXT (x3).

Diono Radian R120 (x3).

Diono Radian R100 (x3).

Combi Coccoro (x3).

Tips and Tricks:

The first generation Tacoma ranges from 175 inches in the ’95-’97 2WD regular cab to 203 inches in the ’98-’02 2WD xtracab and ’03-’04 xtracab V6 and double cab. The width ranges from 67 to 70 inches in the crew cab trim levels.

Essentially, your 3 across potential will depend to a large degree on the cab and trim level you’re dealing with, and if you’re reading this review, the odds are that you bought your Taco before you bought your car seats. That said, there are a few seats that will work in any of these Tacomas, and those are the seats I’ve listed above. If you’ve got a larger trim, you’ll be able to install taller seats, while a wider trim will allow you to install many more seats than those I’ve listed here.

If you’re interested in rear-facing with a Radian and you’ve got a shorter cab, you’ll definitely want to spend the extra few dollars on an angle adjuster to make driving and using the front-passenger space easier.

As usual, you’ll absolutely want to use your seat belts instead of the LATCH system to maximize the usable space you have in your Taco. Good luck!

If you find my information on best practices in car and car seat safety helpful, you can do your shopping through this Amazon link. Canadians can shop here for Canadian purchases. Have a question or want to discuss best practices? Send me an email at carcrashdetective [at] gmail [dot] com.

The Best Rear-facing Convertible Car Seats for Leg Room

The Maxi-Cosi Pria 85 is one of the two best convertible car seats I've found for preserving front row leg room.
The Maxi-Cosi Pria 85 is excellent for preserving front row room.

I frequently get emails from parents either thanking me for the 3 across car seat guides I made for their vehicles or asking for suggestions for vehicles I haven’t yet tested with my fleet of car seats. For those parents, I came up with the list of narrow convertible car seats that will fit 3 across in just about any vehicle (including in a number of coupes and convertibles). However, another question I frequently get from parents involves which car seats will help them preserve front-to-back space in their cars. Believe it or not, this isn’t just an issue for parents driving subcompact or compact cars; many messages come from parents driving mid-sized or large SUVs or even minivans.

Why make a comparison of convertible car seats with the best front-to-back space?

Sometimes it’s because the vehicle inherently doesn’t have much front-to-back space to speak of, but many times, it’s because one parent or the other might be tall or have long legs. Other times one or both parents might simply want to be able to stretch their legs out and get comfortable during road trips. Sometimes it’s because of drivers or passenger who want to sit as far away from the steering wheel or dashboard as possible for fear of airbag deployments, car collisions, or due to pregnancies. Other times it’s due to having friends of different shapes and sizes.

Whatever the reason, since creating the 3 across guides, this has become one of the most frequent questions I receive or that draws people to the site in online searches. The goal is to find a high-quality, high weight- and height-limit convertible car seat that’ll keep your child safe, happy, and comfy rear-facing as long as possible, while at the same time allowing front-row occupants a safe and comfortable amount of room. Let’s get to it.

How did you measure the convertibles that took up the least amount of passenger space?

measuring the graco size4me 65 - smallMy methodology was simple: I chose a vehicle I’ve used for my 3 across guides and installed every rear-facing convertible seat I had access to in the passenger outboard position. I measured the available space between the front of the vehicle seat in which the car seat was installed (at the head rest) and the most forward-reaching part of the car seat. If the car seat had accommodations I could provide to reduce the amount of space it took up, such as the multiple recline positions in a Britax Advocate ClickTight or the angle adjuster option for a Diono Radian RXT or the removable anti-rebound bar for a Clek Fllo, I used it, as long as it didn’t create an unsafe recline angle.

I then ranked all of the car seats in the list below by the minimum measured distance I was able to achieve between the front of the vehicle seat and the most forward part of the car seat. The seats with the smallest measured distances are at the top of the list; these are the seats that are likely to use the least amount of space in your vehicle when you install them rear-facing the way I did. The seats with the largest measured distances are at the bottom of the list; these seats are likely to take up more front-to-back space in a given vehicle, leaving you with less space in the front row.

Will this list tell me if a car seat will give me lots of space in my car, minivan, SUV, or pickup truck?

Unfortunately, I can’t say if you’ll get as much space as I did in your vehicle; there are a lot of different factors that go into that, including the size of your vehicle, the angles of both your vehicle and car seats, whether your seats can move forward and back or not, and of course the amount of space your driver and front-seated passenger need. However, what this list will tell you is how much space individual seats can take up when installed rear-facing. This, in turn, tells you whether one seat is likely to give you more or less room than another, and which seats, on average, are likely to give you the most or least space.

I’ve also included links to my reviews of the seats and their weight and seated height limits while rear-facing. The seated height limits are a measurement of the amount of available height in a seat from the bottom of the seat to the top, keeping in mind 1″ rules when applicable. In other words, they tell you how tall a seated child could be before outgrowing the seat; if two seats have the same weight limit, the seat with the higher seated height will last the child longer before needing to be forward-faced. All seats are tested in their most upright positions with head rests in fully extended positions unless otherwise noted.

It’s not a complete list, but I’ll continue to add to it as I get more seats. Each of these seats is one I’ve reviewed and lauded on my recommended convertible car seat list. The equivalent Canadian recommended convertible list is here. The list below compares the most popular convertible car seats available in the US, sorted by the amount of front-to-back space they take up once installed in rear-facing configurations

Convertible Car Seat (Click on the car seat name for review) Front-to-back space used (in) Rear-facing weight limit (lbs) Rear-facing measured seated height of child (in)
 Maxi-Cosi Pria 85 31 inches  40 pounds  25 inches
 Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 31  inches  40 pounds  25  inches
 Britax Advocate ClickTight 32 inches  40 pounds  28  inches
 Britax Boulevard ClickTight 32 inches  40 pounds  28  inches
 Britax Marathon ClickTight 32 inches  40 pounds  26  inches
 Britax Advocate G4.1 33 inches  40 pounds  24  inches
 Britax Boulevard G4.1 33 inches  40 pounds  24  inches
 Britax Marathon G4.1 33 inches  40 pounds  24  inches
 Britax Pavilion G4 33 inches  40 pounds  24  inches
 Britax Advocate G4 33 inches  40 pounds  24  inches
 Chicco NextFit 33 inches  40 pounds  26  inches
 Diono Radian RXT
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  45 pounds  25  inches
 Diono Radian R120
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  45 pounds  25  inches
 Diono Radian R100
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  40 pounds  25  inches
 Diono Rainier
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  50 pounds  25  inches
 Diono Pacifica
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  50 pounds  25  inches
 Diono Olympia
(with 
angle adjuster)
33 inches  45 pounds  25  inches
 Graco Size4Me 65
(with flush head rest)
33  inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Graco My Size 65
(with flush head rest)
33 inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Graco Head Wise 70
(with flush head rest)
33 inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Peg Perego Primo Viaggio Convertible (w/ flush head rest) 33 inches  45 pounds  24  inches
 Evenflo Triumph 34 inches  40 pounds  23  inches
 Evenflo Symphony 34 inches  40 pounds  23   inches
 Graco 4Ever All-In-One 34 inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Graco Milestone All-In-One 34 inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Graco Contender
(with flush head rest)
34 inches  40 pounds  27  inches
 Clek Fllo
(without anti-rebound bar)
35  inches  50 pounds  26  inches
 Clek Foonf 36  inches  50 pounds  26  inches
 Safety 1st Advance EX 65 Air+ 36  inches  50 pounds  28  inches
 Safety 1st Advance SE / LX 65 Air+ 36  inches  40 pounds  28  inches
 All Diono convertibles
(without 
angle adjuster)
38  inches  40 pounds  25  inches
More Seats to Come!

It’s important to repeat that you’re not necessarily going to get exactly the same results in your particular vehicle with a particular seat. However, this is a great starting point, and for many parents, it can make the difference between between a great amount of leg room and a very unpleasant driving or passenger experience, between forward-facing at 1 and forward-facing at 4, and ultimately, in the amount of safety we can provide our children while we travel. I’ve included below some additional notes and tips about several of the seats in the above list.

pria2 Maxi-Cosi Pria 85 – Review Here, Buy Here.
Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 – Review here, buy here.

The Pria 85 and 70 are the two convertibles that took up the least amount of space while rear-facing in this comparison. This makes these two seats the friendliest convertibles with 40-pound rear-facing limits for vehicles with limited front-to-back space.

When reclining, you can choose between the full recline of position #3 or the partial recline of position #2. The angle indicator is a line that’s supposed to be level to the ground. If you need to increase your recline angle, you can do so with either a tightly rolled towel or a pool noodle beneath the base.

advocate3Britax Advocate ClickTight – Review Here, Buy Here.
Britax Marathon ClickTight – Review Here, Buy Here.
Britax Boulevard ClickTight – Review Here, Buy Here.

The 3 ClickTight triplets were the next-best convertibles for front-to-back space within the 40 pound RF weight limit, and also among the convertibles with the highest seated height limits at 28 inches. It’s important to note that the Marathon ClickTight seated height tops out at around 26 inches; if you’ve got a taller child, you might want to go with the Advocate CT or Boulevard CT instead.

With the ClickTight triplets, you can choose from 7 different recline positions in the base to get the rear-facing recline angle you need as suggested by the angle indicator. The more upright you can get the seat, the more space you’ll have. Keep in mind that newborns and young babies will naturally need more recline than toddlers or older children.

advocate4-1-1The Britax Boulevard G4.1 – Review Here, Buy Here.
The Britax Marathon G4.1 – Review Here, Buy Here.

The G4.1 and G4 seats are also great choices for rear-facing without taking too much space from front-seat occupants. There are 3 recline positions available in total, but you can only use one of them when rear-facing. If you need to use a tightly rolled towel or a pool noodle beneath the base to find an appropriate recline angle, you can do so without worry. This is most likely to be the case if you have extremely sloped car seats and have a newborn or infant in the seat.

nex1Chicco NextFit Zip – Review Here, Buy Here.

The NextFit has one of the highest seated heights I’ve yet measured (26 inches) for a 40-pound convertible seat currently on the market, which helps prolong the time you’ll be able to use it for rear-facing.

You can choose between 9 recline positions on the base to find an appropriate recline angle while rear-facing; the angle indicator will tell you what’s in a safe range and what’s not. The more upright your recline, the less space the seat will take up front-to-back. The ability to choose from so many different angles is part of what makes the NextFit such a good seat for smaller vehicles.

purplerainierDiono Radian RXT – Review Here, Buy Here.
Diono Radian R120 – Review Here, Buy Here.
Diono Radian R100 – Review here, buy here.
Diono Rainier – Review Here, Buy Here.

The Diono convertible family ranges from the R100 with a 40-pound RF limit to the Rainier and Pacifica with 50-pound RF limits. The RXT, R120, and Olympia are in between with 45-pound RF limits. All of the seats have the same basic design, and all of the seats are wonderful for small cars and small spaces when used with the angle adjuster. All of the seats also take up a large amount of space hen used without the angle adjuster. Remember that you can only use the angle adjuster if your child has full head control and can sit up without help.

s4m1The Graco Size4Me 65 – Review Here, Buy Here.
The Graco Fit4Me 65 – Review Here, Buy Here.
The Graco Contender – Review Here, Buy Here.

The Graco clones are my favorite budget convertible car seats for extended rear-facing. They all rear-face until 40 pounds and include the second-highest seated child height limits in their class; the only 40-pound convertibles that will allow you to rear-face longer than the Graco seats here are the ClickTight convertibles.

That said, the Gracos are not all created equally. While they all share the feature of 3 recline positions with only 1 allowed when rear-facing, the Contender takes up more space when installed in the same seat than the other Graco clones. I’m not sure why, but it’s something to keep in mind, and another reason to buy the Size4Me or My Size over the Contender if you can afford to. You can increase your recline angle in all of the clones with either a tightly rolled towel or a pool noodle stuffed beneath the base.

pegpink Peg Perego Primo Viaggio – Review Here, Buy Here.

The Primo Viaggio convertible is one of the best-performing seats on the list when it comes to the space it saves while rear-facing, especially since it doesn’t need an angle adjuster to provide the space it does while letting you rear-face until 45 pounds, unlike the Radian RXT, Radian R120, and Olympia.

The Primo Viaggio lets you use only one recline position when rear-facing. You can also choose between the first 7 head rest height settings when rear-facing; the top 3 are only allowed when forward-facing. As is the case with most seats on the list, you can increase your recline angle as needed through a tightly rolled towel or pool noodle beneath the base.

flloinkClek Foonf – Review Here, Buy Here.
Clek Fllo – Review Here, Buy Here.

The Clek seats are among my favorite rear-facing convertibles, as they’re two of a handful of seats that allow rear-facing from birth until 50 pounds when used with the infant insert.

The Fllo allows you to use only one recline position when rear-facing. To make the most of it, you’ll want to remove the anti-rebound bar; that’ll give you about two more inches of space to play with in the front row. Although I like the anti-rebound bar, it’s an optional feature in the Fllo, and rear-facing will give you the biggest bang for your buck anyway. If you need more of a recline angle, you can use a tightly rolled towel beneath the base. Unlike most of the seats on this list, the Fllo doesn’t permit the use of a pool noodle.

The Foonf also lets you use recline position 3 when rear-facing. However, unlike with the Fllo, you can’t remove the anti-rebound bar when rear-facing. The Foonf as a result takes up about an inch more space than the Fllo when rear-facing. However, unlike with the Fllo, you can use either a tightly rolled towel or a pool noodle to increase your recline angle if you need to.

Conclusion – what’s the best seat for rear-facing space? It depends on your needs!

In conclusion, it can be tough figuring out what the best convertible seats will be for your son or daughter in your particular vehicle. The truth of the matter is that there isn’t a universally “best” seat. Whenever parents ask me for such a seat, I never have any in mind until I’ve thoroughly listened to or read their concerns, as each family’s situation will influence what the best solutions are for them. With that in mind, I’m hoping this will serve as yet another resource for parents and caretakers in search of high-quality convertibles to keep their little ones safe without placing front occupants into dangerous or uncomfortable situations.

If you’re still looking for more information to help you decide which seat is right for your little one, I’d recommend checking out the plethora of recommended car seat reviews and best practice articles I’ve written here. If you’d like to know about the narrowest car seats that will fit in just about any vehicle, you can read my recommendations here. And if you’d simply like to get an idea of some of the car seats that are likely to fit in your vehicle, you owe it to yourself to check out the gargantuan 3 across car seat guide I’ve written up (and continue to add to) here, spanning vehicles of all sizes, years, models, and price brackets.

These are good lists to have in mind when Amazon launches their seasonal car seat sales, such as those on Prime Day, Black Friday, and Cyber Monday; when you have the chance to score a deal, you want to make sure the seat you’re saving money on is a quality one.

If you find my information on best practices in car and car seat safety helpful, you can do your shopping through this Amazon link. Canadians can shop here for Canadian purchases. Have a question or want to discuss best practices? Join us in the forums!

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